Getting to the Truth: A CAS and a GI Physician Discuss the Nuances of EUS Training and Experience
Summary: Olympusâ Clinical Applications Specialist Melissa Elliott-Walker, and Gastroenterologist Julie Yang, MD, were interviewed on the OlympusTalks podcast on the DeviceTalks platform. The two discussed their respective clinical roles at the intersection of endoscopic ultrasound to access, visualize, and treat GI conditions, as well as the value of training and experience in the quest to get clinical answers.
Melissa Elliott-Walker has been looking at ultrasound images for over three decades. Still, she understands that first-time viewers wonât âget itâ right away. âWhen youâre first looking at an ultrasound image, it looks like sonarâŠIt looks like a weather map,â said the OlympusÂź Clinical Applications Specialist (CAS). To the untrained eye, organs like the gallbladder or the pancreas may not be identifiable, she added. âItâs pattern recognition.â Gastroenterologist Julie Yang, MD, agrees, recalling her early experience. âIt was like TV back in the day when we had antennas,â watching black and white static on the screen. But today, Yang refers to endoscopic ultrasound as âthe truth.â So, whatâor whoâchanged her perspective?
The vantage point of EUS
combines an endoscopy procedure with ultrasound imaging technology. Yang recalls her training, thinking âwhy are we doing [EUS] instead of getting a CAT* scan?â But Yang began to warm to EUS technology, first with the realization that, âwe can do endoscopy and get biopsies this way, instead of having to call interventional radiology,â she said. âBut really, what sets it apart is that it is the truth,â said Yang.
In Yangâs experience, âif thereâs something on a CAT scan, something on MRI,* details may not be clear or may be missed,â but EUS provides a different perspective. âItâs really because of the proximity of where we are in the GI tract.â
Elliott-Walker explains that unlike CT or MRI scans, with EUS âthe end of the scope is in the stomach ⊠it can be in the esophagus or the duodenum, but the only thing separating that transducer from the pancreasâŠis just the gastric wall,â which is why it is increasingly important for pancreatic imaging, she said. Both Yang and Elliott-Walker stress that other imaging modalities have their place and can complement solving the clinical puzzle, but they view EUS in many instances as an important piece.
Experience, and developing relationships
Yang credits her appreciation of EUS to her work with Elliott-Walker. âI think I have a pretty unique experience with CASs, particularly with Melissa,â said Yang. âWe met when I first started as an attending right out of training, and I could immediately tell that Melissa was really special, and itâs ⊠because of the wealth of her experience. She wasnât there to tell us which button does whatâŠit was much more.â Yang was impressed by âthe way that she can educate all of us, whether itâs me as a physician, my staff, my techs, [and] my fellows.â
Thus, the benefit of a CAS in general, and Elliott-Walker in particular, is to âreally develop that conversation into something deeper to make everybody in the room understand what weâre doing, why itâs important, and why this particular technology is so significant,â said Yang.
Itâs about âbeing thereâ
To Elliott-Walker, her job, and those of her fellow CASs at Olympus, is about âbeing there.â She adds, âA lot of the relationship starts typically with the staff. Especially when a new endoscopic ultrasound program is started, weâre in there with the staff, teaching them how to handle the scopesâŠteaching them how to set them up properly for the procedure, and then being in the room with them when theyâre doing their first handful of cases.â And, she adds, âEvery need is different based on the facility.â
In the end, âItâs really just all about the patient,â adds Elliott-Walker. As a CAS, âWeâre in there before the patient even gets in the room ⊠helping [to] set up, making sure we have the appropriate scopes, and then being in there for the procedure, and then after the procedure too, weâre there helping [to] clean up.â
âItâs a very unique role,â said Yang of Elliott-Walkerâs expertise. Her combined experience, knowledge of the technology and overall understanding of clinical cases helps clinicians like her answer questions like: âWhat kind of images do I really need to get?â or âWhat is the position that I need to be in to really maximize my yield?â said Yang. âThose are the subtleties that really get you from just being average to something really amazing.â
*NOTE: A (a.k.a. CAT or CT) scan is a noninvasive computerized X-ray procedure where a narrow beam of X-rays is aimed at a patient and quickly rotated around the body, generating cross sectional images or slices.1 Magnetic resonance imaging, or , is also noninvasive. The modality employs power magnets that force protons in the body, facilitating the production of three dimensional detailed anatomical images.2
Potential complications that may be associated with endoscopic ultrasound include, but are not limited to, the following: sore throat, infection, bleeding, perforation, and/or tumor seeding (when EUS-FNA or FNB is performed).
References
1. NIH. National Institute of Biomedical Imaging and Bioengineering. .
2. NIH. National Institute of Biomedical Imaging and Bioengineering.
Looking to Incorporate EUS in Your Practice?
According to the American Society for Gastrointestinal Endoscopy (ASGE), the demand continues to grow for endoscopists who are well trained in diagnosing diseases of the pancreas, bile duct, liver, spleen, and gallbladder, as well as staging of cancers. And while endoscopic ultrasound (EUS) expertise may be widely available in academic medical centers, these skills and technologies are needed in many community-based settings.
ASGE has partnered with Olympus to provide âDiagnostic EUS Training: A Competency-Based Approach to Incorporating EUS into Your Practice.â The course is focused on helping practicing physicians achieve competency in this high-demand area. The programâs online and hands-on curriculum covers the full spectrum of diagnostic EUS and FNA in four to six months and culminates in a proctorship with an EUS expert.
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Dr. Julie Yang is a paid consultant of Olympus Corporation, its subsidiaries, and/or its affiliates. The positions and statements made herein made by Dr. Yang are based on Dr. Yangâs experiences, thoughts, and opinions.
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